Posts by be wise

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

be wise

SwordOfJah, your answers are crap!

They are typical JW fact that you can get from any Watchtower. This is a discussion forum not a read from a book and don’t look at it from anybody else’s point of view forum.

Can we have some other JW’s on here please?

You don’t have the ability to discuss things of this nature intelligently because you live in an information vacuum, if you can’t be open enough to see someone else’s point of view then you can’t intelligently form your own, unless someone else tells you how.

I feel sorry for you actually, I really do.

Bye.

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I wish there were more JW's here!

by be wise in

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then we wouldn't all have to jump on swordofjah, me included.

i just questioned a jw about the letter from the wts i was given on the child abuse stance they have.

answer:you do read into it, don't you?.

be wise

Then we wouldn't all have to jump on SwordOfJah, me included.

I just questioned a JW about the letter from the WTS I was given on the child abuse stance they have.

ANSWER:You do read into it, don't you?

Why does the societys view only change when the law asks them to and why does it differ from country to country. Shouldn't the have a direct policy on child abuse for the whole organsation around the world if they really care about people and not just adhering to scripture?

Silentlambs isn't an apostate organisation, it's for all abuse victims especially for those who are JW's.

ANSWER:

be wise.

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

be wise

SpiceItUp ...but you are a Jedi Master.

Are females allowed to be Jedi Masters, Simon?

Maybe I shouldn't ask or he will boot me out!

Oh sorry, I forget we're not JW's now are we!

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

be wise

Did 'SpiceItUp' say he was gonna use it as so called 'ammo', your judging the guy before you even know him.

Maybe SpiceItUp just wants to be able to give a clear and honest answer on these matters much like the reasoning book gives situations so as you are in a postion to give a clear answer on what you believe. Or do you view this as 'ammo' to convert people with!

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My DF'd brother needs help!

by be wise in

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my brother whos dfd turned down a blood transfusion when he had an accident, its a good job he didnt seriously need it, although he did lose a lot of blood.

see the control this society has on people who havent questioned.

he hasnt thought any of it through and is still controlled by a lot of it subconsciously.

be wise

Maybe that is the reason, it makes a lot of sense, I have never really talked about it until recentley. He sent me a text asking what I'm doing etc. I said I was on the web talking to x - JW's he said he is interested in checking it out.

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THE ONLY ONE BURSTING MY FAMILY WTS BUBBLE!

by be wise in

these things about the society have been nagging me and i just couldnt keep them in any longer.

basically ive just told my mum everything about the org and what i think of it covering itself, misleading its followers and the issues of child abuse.

basically my dad said its people who have a vendetta against the society and a lot of the stories are made up.

be wise

Wannaexit, thanks.

I thought I should mend it with my mum and so I apologised for upseting her, today.

I said I'm sorry for the stuff I said in anger, she agreed my dad is a master goader and argumentative at the best of times. I said I should have thought about your feelings as well as mine. It is sound (but different) now between us, although we did get into another discussion about it and I explained how I felt, I said we should agree to disagree and leave it at that.

She then started trying to blame herself, (Gowd, they have a hold, don't they) but I tried to expalin the best I can that it's got nothing to do with her but with the way the organisation works. I said everyone who has a share in this organisation has a different personality, everyone's views is from a different angle but why do the same stories and feelings come from people who leave it.

I then told her how good she was at bringing us up. I hope she listened!

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Elders=voice of God?

by simplesally in

well, at first when i saw that bill bowen was saying that elders are the voice of god, i thought, oh what an exaggeration!!!

but then i got to thinking............. at my committee meeting one of the elders asked if i had confessed to jehovah, when i said yes and that it was easier to do it to jehovah because i didn't have to see his face, i could just hide in the palm of his hand, he tried to mileed corrected me and said that when you confess to the elders, you are looking at the face of jehovah.

i wanted to walk out right then and tell him either i was in the wrong religion all along or he was totally "out there"........... i should have walked out and said that both things were true no "or's" about it!

be wise

Poor elders. They must get so tired of members going to them with such trite and pidily stuff, asking their opinion, etc.

I don't think there will be as many people wanting to be elders now.

They have to be responsable now to more than the pidily society. Oh no!

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Jehovah's Witnesses and child protection in Britain

by be wise in

i havent got a scanner but i got it from a witness to convince me of their stance on it.

sorry, here it is, typed out.

jehovahs witnesses and child protection in britain

be wise

I haven’t got a scanner but I got it from a witness to ‘convince’ me of their stance on it. Sorry, here it is, typed out.

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JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES AND CHILD PROTECTION IN BRITAIN

Paul Gillies, spokesmen for the British branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses comments: “Sexual abuse of children is not just a terrible sin but also a crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims. Jehovah’s Witnesses everywhere abhor the sexual abuse of children and will not protect any perpetrator of such repugnant acts from the consequences of his gross sin. This is in harmony with the principle recorded at Romans 12:9.”

Recognising that religion is in the spotlight for its handling of matters relating to this complex issue, Jehovah’s Witnesses have made sure the public has access to detailed information regarding their means of responding to these matters when they may arise within a congregation. Mr Gillies explains, “It is of deep concern to us if there is a victim of abuse who says his or her case has not been handled with sensitivity or understanding in our religion.”

And Mr. Gillies continues, “Elders in Britain are directed to ensure that secular laws are adhered to. When a report is received, elders contact out National Office in London for guidance to ensure that (1) the alleged victim and other potential victims, are protected from possible abuse and (2) that counsel is given to report crime to the proper authorities and to comply with any additional legal requirements.

Jehovah’s Witnesses further believe that it is the absolute right of the victim, his or her family, or any others to report the matter to the authorities if they so choose. There are certainly no sanctions against any congregation member who reports an allegation of child abuse to the authorities.”

National Contact Paul Gillies, telephone XXX XXXX XXX (Is showing Tel. numbers against the rules, I'm not sure?)

(2002)

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Can I just say one thing that really sticks out at me; it’s the most important paragraph?

(2) that counsel is given to report crime to the proper authorities and to comply with any additional legal requirements.

So in other words if they think no crime has been committed or there aren’t enough witnesses to prove that a crime has been commited, t hen they are not encouraged to report it. Very well worded, I must say.

BTW, does anyone have any comments that other Christian religions made when being question about their initial stance on child abuse cases?

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What are the benifits of DA? Should I DA?

by zucker in

i'm wondering if i should just "come out of the closet" and tell my family i don't believe it anymore and da myself or don't make any noise and fade out?

what are the benefits or problems with either choice?

additionally, some have expressed concern over da.

be wise

I understand your position zucker, just be calm about it and attack it from a personal not doctrinal stance that's what I did and didn't do and it worked best when I did. That way your not attacking there religion and beliefs but are attacking the way things are done by the WTS 'opinion'.

First I told a room full of relatives at a get together and it went very well cos I attacked it from how it made me feel, what it did to me and also on the past views on subjects that really hurt and affected people very badly, there are a lot of issuses that pertain to this as you will know from experience as an ex-JW.

That to me, is the best way to go about it, then if they ask questions again explain your viewpoint on the matter by printing stuff out and showing them.

be wise.

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My DF'd brother needs help!

by be wise in

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my brother whos dfd turned down a blood transfusion when he had an accident, its a good job he didnt seriously need it, although he did lose a lot of blood.

see the control this society has on people who havent questioned.

he hasnt thought any of it through and is still controlled by a lot of it subconsciously.

be wise

I understand what u r saying but he smokes, lives in so-called sin, breaks the law on his motorbike (he's a nutter, and well known for it), celebrates birthdays and christmas and easter etc and loves going out and having a few at these times with work mates; far from thinking like a JW. Like u say I still think a lot of it is there subconciously but there must be something I can do (even small hints) cos I won't do absolutely nothing and hope he comes out of it.